{"id":430788,"date":"2019-03-24T01:26:24","date_gmt":"2019-03-24T08:26:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/?p=430788"},"modified":"2026-02-12T17:20:38","modified_gmt":"2026-02-13T01:20:38","slug":"ep-47-design-with-liz-jackson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/2019\/03\/24\/ep-47-design-with-liz-jackson\/","title":{"rendered":"Ep 47: Design with Liz Jackson"},"content":{"rendered":"<!--powerpress_player--><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7112\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-430788-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/?powerpress_pinw=430788-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Final_Ep_47.mp3\">Download<\/a> | <a href=\"#\" class=\"powerpress_link_e\" title=\"Embed\" onclick=\"return powerpress_show_embed('430788-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Embed<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_embed_box\" id=\"powerpress_embed_430788-podcast\" style=\"display: none;\"><input id=\"powerpress_embed_430788-podcast_t\" type=\"text\" value=\"&lt;iframe width=&quot;320&quot; height=&quot;30&quot; src=&quot;https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/?powerpress_embed=430788-podcast&amp;amp;powerpress_player=mediaelement-audio&quot; title=&quot;Blubrry Podcast Player&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;\/iframe&gt;\" onclick=\"javascript: this.select();\" onfocus=\"javascript: this.select();\" style=\"width: 70%;\" readOnly><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/disability-visibility\/id1282878324\u00a0?mt=2&amp;ls=1#episodeGuid=https%3A%2F%2Fdisabilityvisibilityproject.com%2F%3Fp%3D430788\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_itunes\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Today\u2019s episode is on design with my guest <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/elizejackson\">Liz Jackson<\/a>, co-founder of <a href=\"https:\/\/projectthisten.com\">Project Thisten<\/a> and f<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">ounder of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.disabledlist.org\">The Disabled List<\/a>, a design organization that engages in disability as a creative practice. Liz will talk about her work with the design community, how material objects are an important part of our self-identity, the limits of building empathy in design, and a series of design fellowships called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.disabledlist.org\/with\/?1553242280162\">WITH<\/a> that places <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">disabled people with top design studios and creative spaces for three-month fellowships.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><strong>Transcript<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/document\/d\/1Pmh2_JhoJcfiDYAkKvH4bwg7Ri7YIDdw-xYt2LI0SLU\/edit?usp=sharing\"><strong>[Google doc]<\/strong><\/a> \u00a0 \u00a0 <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/Design.pdf\">[PDF]<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<h3><strong>Related Links<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.iconundies.com\/blogs\/iconversation\/liz-jackson-disability-design-the-disabled-list\">&#8220;How Liz Jackson Is Changing The World Of Disability Design,&#8221;<\/a> Brianna Flaherty, September 21, 2018, The Iconic.<\/p>\n<p class=\"title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/99u.adobe.com\/videos\/55965\/liz-jackson-designing-for-inclusivity\">Liz Jackson: Designing for Inclusivity<\/a> (video), 99U Conference 2017.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/projectthisten.com\">Project Thisten<\/a> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.disabledlist.org\">The Disabled List<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/05\/30\/opinion\/disability-design-lifehacks.html\">&#8220;We Are the Original Lifehackers&#8221;<\/a>, Liz Jackson, May 30, 2018, The New York Times<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.disabledlist.org\/with\/?1553242280162\">WITH Fellowship<\/a><\/p>\n<h3><strong>About<\/strong><\/h3>\n<figure id=\"attachment_430790\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-430790\" style=\"width: 400px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"430790\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/2019\/03\/24\/ep-47-design-with-liz-jackson\/headshot_4\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/headshot_4.png?fit=650%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"650,528\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"headshot_4\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Photo of Liz Jackson, a queer white disabled person with short hair. She is wearing eyeglasses, a navy vest with a black t-shirt underneath. She is smiling broadly. Photo credit: Ryan Lash&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/headshot_4.png?fit=650%2C528&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"wp-image-430790\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/headshot_4.png?resize=400%2C325&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Photo of Liz Jackson, a queer white disabled person with short hair. She is wearing eyeglasses, a navy vest with a black t-shirt underneath. She is smiling broadly. Photo credit: Ryan Lash\" width=\"400\" height=\"325\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/headshot_4.png?resize=300%2C244&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/headshot_4.png?w=650&amp;ssl=1 650w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-430790\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo of Liz Jackson, a queer white disabled person with short hair. She is wearing eyeglasses, a navy vest with a black t-shirt underneath. She is smiling broadly. Photo credit: Ryan Lash<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Liz Jackson<\/strong> is the founder The Disabled List, a design organization that engages in disability as a creative practice. The Disabled List is committed to partnering disabled creatives with top design studios and creative spaces for three-month fellowships through a program called The WITH Fellowship. You can learn more about Liz in her personal website, <a href=\"http:\/\/thegirlwiththepurplecane.com\">The Girl with the Purple Cane<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/elizejackson\">@elizejackson<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><b>Support Disability Media and Culture<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/donate\/\"><b>DONATE<\/b><\/a><b> to the Disability Visibility Project\u00ae<\/b><\/p>\n<h3><strong>Credits<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SFdirewolf\">Alice Wong<\/a>, Writer, Producer, Interviewer<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/WhoAmIToStopIt\">Cheryl Green<\/a>, Text Transcript<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/kut2smooth\">Lateef McLeod<\/a>, Introduction<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MikeeMort\">Mike Mort<\/a>, Artwork<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><strong>Theme Music (used with permission of artist)<\/strong><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Song: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=wKOU_Z6Y8yQ\">\u201cHard Out Here for A Gimp\u201d<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Album: NO BIG DEAL<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Artist: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/wheelchairsportscamp.bandcamp.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Wheelchair Sports Camp<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h4><strong>Music<\/strong><\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Yung_Kartz\/March_2019\/Made_It\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Made It<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> by <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Yung_Kartz\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yung Kartz<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is licensed under a <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-nc-nd\/4.0\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 License<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>Sounds<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/freesound.org\/people\/Jack_Master\/sounds\/248096\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cVOCODER countdown\u201d<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> by Jack_Master. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/publicdomain\/zero\/1.0\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This work is licensed under the Creative Commons 0 License.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201c<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/freesound.org\/people\/sheepfilms\/sounds\/153583\/#\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">8 Bit Beeping Computer Sounds<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201d by sheepfilms. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/publicdomain\/zero\/1.0\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This work is licensed under the Creative Commons 0 License.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3Podcast\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/content.blubrry.com\/disability_visibility\/Final_Ep_47.mp3Podcast<\/a>: Play in new window | Download | EmbedSubscribe: Apple Podcasts | Email | RSS&nbsp; Today\u2019s episode is on design with my guest Liz Jackson, co-founder of Project Thisten and &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/2019\/03\/24\/ep-47-design-with-liz-jackson\/\" class=\"read-more\">Continue Reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Ep 47: Design with Liz Jackson<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":214400,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"_wpas_customize_per_network":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[587152318,1],"tags":[159346,3471,789,148,587152656,10372239,2005041,55897910,587152654,289446,1217563,587152655,730860,9280],"class_list":["post-430788","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-podcast","category-uncategorized","tag-ableism","tag-accessibility","tag-creativity","tag-design","tag-design-theory","tag-disability-community","tag-disability-culture","tag-disability-identity","tag-disabled-designers","tag-disabled-people","tag-inclusive-design","tag-innovation","tag-universal-design","tag-user-experience","post-has-thumbnail"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/3000podcast_logo.png?fit=3000%2C3000&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4H7t1-1O4c","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"amp_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/430788","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=430788"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/430788\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/214400"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=430788"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=430788"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/disabilityvisibilityproject.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=430788"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}